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Episode #12 | Brock Lutz on Anxiety

  • christophernetley
  • Jul 16, 2024
  • 2 min read



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Episode Summary


In this episode of the Build Beyond podcast, Chris Netley talks to Brock Lutz about anxiety and the book Unwinding Anxiety by Judson Brewer. They discuss the concept of anxiety as a response to hypothetical situations and the challenge of living outside of one's comfort zone. They explore the idea of a bigger, better offer (BBO) as a way to overcome anxiety and the importance of self-reflection and mindfulness in managing anxiety. They also touch on the limitations of willpower and substitution as management strategies and the complexity of addressing anxiety in a complex environment. The conversation explores the concept of willpower and its limitations, the importance of mindfulness in dealing with challenges, and the need for a holistic approach to healthcare. It highlights the value of growth mindset, curiosity, and self-reflection in personal growth and overcoming anxiety. The conversation also touches on the pitfalls of symptom-focused healthcare and the need for a more comprehensive and individualized approach.


Key Takeaways


  • Anxiety is often a response to hypothetical situations rather than actual events.

  • Living outside of one's comfort zone can be challenging and may trigger anxiety.

  • A bigger, better offer is a way to overcome anxiety by finding a more rewarding alternative to anxious behaviors.

  • Self-reflection and mindfulness are important tools for managing anxiety.

  • Willpower and substitution are limited strategies for managing anxiety.

  • Addressing anxiety in a complex environment requires a holistic approach. Willpower is not the sole determinant of success; individuals may excel due to a change in environment or support system.

  • Mindfulness is a valuable tool for dealing with challenges as it allows individuals to be present and curious in the moment.

  • A growth mindset is essential for personal growth and change; individuals must believe in their ability to change and be open to new possibilities.

  • Symptom-focused healthcare often overlooks the underlying causes and fails to provide a comprehensive and individualized approach.

  • Understanding the complexity of individuals and their experiences is crucial in providing effective healthcare and support.


Episode Chapters


00:00 Introduction and Defining Anxiety

04:01 Fear vs. Anxiety

08:37 The Bigger, Better Offer

12:54 The Power of Mindfulness

17:46 Challenges in Implementing Strategies

25:49 Self-Reflection and Curiosity

45:15 The Role of Willpower and the Need for Mindfulness

49:08 The Dangers of Treating Symptoms without Addressing Causes

54:31 Respecting Autonomy and Providing Informed Consent in Healthcare

56:46 Exploring Anxiety as an Identity, Forgiveness, and Loving Kindness

01:20:02 Anxiety as an Identity

01:21:00 Stepping Outside the Comfort Zone

01:22:56 The Concept of a Growth Zone

01:25:40 Sustainable Change and Practical Strategies

01:28:33 Finding Internal Solutions for Sustainable Change


Sound Bites


"Anxiety is a response to hypothetical situations."

"Living outside of your comfort zone can trigger anxiety."

"A bigger, better offer is a more rewarding alternative to anxious behaviors."

"No, he's got a different brain. He's built different."

"Their life was so bad before. And this is so much better. And they're so thankful."

"Some people have a limited amount of willpower, but it's infinite if you focus on one thing."


Where to find Chris Netley

Instagram: @chrisnetleyDC 

X (formerly Twitter): @chrisnetleyDC 



 
 
 

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